Ninjas Issue!
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Ninjas Issue!
04/25/2003 12:42 PM EDT
1st of all i want to make sure that all what is writen below isnt a complain but just somethin that i think that could be fix in the next Mk.

Scorpion, Reptile and Sub-Zero are not ninjas at all in Mk 5 cuz they can't preform Ninjitsu.
Ninjas may seem mysterious, but the origin of their name is not. The word ninja derives from the Japanese characters nin and ja. Nin initially meant "to endure," but over time it developed the extended meaning "to be stealthy" or "to be invisible." In Japanese, ja means "person." Ninjas originated in the mountains of Japan about 800 years ago as practitioners of ninjutsu, a martial art sometimes called "the art of stealth" or "the art of invisibility." And here i have a bit of text that proves that Scorpion knew Ninjitsu: "A renegade Japanese-born Lin Kuei warrior named Takeda returned to his homeland,
and offered his services to various lords and generals,
many of his skills and techniques were soon copied and learned throughout Japan,
eventually "evolving" into the art of Ninjitsu.
Unlike the Lin Kuei,
the art of Ninjitsu involves the use of weapons and magic's that can be mastered by any human with enough practice.
The Ninja never existed as a single collected clan,
but rather worked as a loosely connected spy network made up of several small clans,
the first Ninja clan was the Shirai Ryu, founded by Takeda himself..."

Yes i know that "The tree ninjas" preforming ninjitsu will make them very similar but thats not necessary cuz the ninjitsu is so large, and is highly possible that Scorpion,Reptile and subzero performed ninjitsu with the same amount of combos and all diferent. In my Kung fu school we fight all in diferents way some guys fight more low and outher more quickly outhers with more grabs then jumps.
I dont want to advertize but in Tekken 4 there were a lot of fighters using the same art and they were all diferent.


!Dont flame me just correct me and give ur point!

ty for ur time tongue
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 09:44 AM EDT
Well, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Lin Kuei aren't ninjas, just ninja-like. So that puts Sub-Zero out of the picture. Reptile is now more of a...reptile than a ninja, so he doesn't really count either. As for Scorpion, I'm not sure. He's not a ninja-in-practice as much as he is just a vengeful specter. So maybe he found that Hapkido and Pi Gua are better forms. He does still use a Ninja Sword though, so there's the weapon part that you mentioned.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 09:51 AM EDT
who's to say that these guys dont know ninjitsu?

reptile is a really old assassin, i think he knows a puny little earth fighting style

scorpion and sub-zero(both) were/are top clansman in their ninja clans, i think they knew a thing or 2 about ninjitsu
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 09:55 AM EDT
Ty, But about reptile, ok now he is more a lizard then a human but he could still use ninjitsu and about scorpion, where the hell did he learned hapkido and pi gua in hell?
lol thanx again for ur answer
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04/24/2003 09:58 AM EDT
u just reminded me of 2 things

scorpion could have learned those styles as a human

and he could have learned several other fighting styles in hell(assuming its the typical hell where one day is like a 1000 years)
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:09 AM EDT
He learned this huge styles with who, alone?
i think they should specify these things on the profile.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:14 AM EDT
u mean scorpion?

dude, stop being an idiot

he was one of the greatest members of his clan(shiri ryu) they train people like him in more than one style, more than 2 even


and in hell? when you have so much time

u either spend it in introspect or getting beaten or fighting other hell people

and after awhile, you learn a thing or 2



so there u have it, 2 logical reasons that explain scorpion's fighting abilities
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:18 AM EDT
Thanx for ur time.
But i still think that scorpion should had ninjitsu like cyrax both are ninjas both know ninjitsu both should have it in the game.
Well i think this discussion is over!
One more thing why the F*** ppl are so agresive in here!?! furious
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:19 AM EDT
u asked a really dumb question that could have been answered with common sense
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04/24/2003 10:32 AM EDT
Oh one more thing it is unlogical to see him preform this arts! It takes almost a life time to master an marcial art and even with so much time im sure he would keep traning ninjitsu to get it better and better, im sure thats whats logical.
Back to hell, if he is alone he cant learn this arts.
If he is fighting with ppl against his own will he will not try to use arts that he doenst know how to preform he will use the one he is good with.

And while a human it will be hard to him to master an art that wasnt of his own contry. Ninjitsu is Japanese, Hapkido is Korean and Pi Gua was chinese. So he needed a Korean master and a chinese master that knew this arts.

"he was one of the greatest members of his clan(shiri ryu) they train people like him in more than one style, more than 2 even"

1 - Of course he was one of the greatest he founded it himself !DUH!
2 - If he was the "Master" Dificultly will be another member to teach him this arts. grin



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04/24/2003 10:40 AM EDT
he wasn't the founder

takeda was
and who ever said he was alone in hell? there are several things in the netherealm, go play MKM and u will see some of them so scorpion spent all of his life training as a human, then he goes to hell and gets stronger and fights more and more everyday and learns more ways of fighting, so then he comes back to earth, super pissed and with many ways to kill
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:42 AM EDT

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Oh one more thing it is unlogical to see him preform this arts! It takes almost a life time to master an marcial art and even with so much time im sure he would keep traning ninjitsu to get it better and better, im sure thats what logical.
Back to hell, if he is alone he cant learn this arts.
If he is fighting with ppl against his own will he will not try to use arts that he doenst know how to preform he will use the one he is good with.

And while a human it will be hard to him to master an art that wasnt of his own contry. Ninjitsu is Japanese, Hapkido is Korean and Pi Gua was chinese. So he needed a Korean master and a chinese master that knew this arts.

"he was one of the greatest members of his clan(shiri ryu) they train people like him in more than one style, more than 2 even"

1 - Of course he was one of the greatest he founded it himself !DUH!
2 - If he was the "Master" Dificultly will be another menber to teach him this arts.





1-scorpion didnt didnt "found" the shirai ryu clan.

sub-zero is an assassin, not a ninja. ever play mk mythologies?

reptile isnt a ninja. he was posing as a ninja to be under cover. read the damn storylines.

just cause scorpion is a ninja does not mean that he has to use ninjtsu. ninjitsu is a mixture aff different fighting styles. scorpion wouldnt have to learn pi gua and hapkido from seperate masters if his master (takeda) already knew them.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:44 AM EDT
thank you scorpio

oh, and since takeda is a former lin kui, he should be a very skilled fighter
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:47 AM EDT
and btw, the lin kuei arent ninjas. meaning both sub-zero's, cyrax, sektor, smoke, and rain.

the shirai ryu clan was the first ninja clan. making them enimies to the lin kuei.

just because cyrax uses ninjitsu, doesnt make him a ninja. i could use ninjtsu and that doesnt make me a ninja
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:49 AM EDT
Scorpion is Takeda, and he did founded the Shirai Ryu unless they changed/upgraded the story so next time post some proofs!
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:51 AM EDT
Scorpio are u stupid thoese things about reptile and sub zero have been posted above so why dont u read before posting!?
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:51 AM EDT
oh no u did not just say that

someone hold me back, i am ready to jump through my computer just to bitch slap this fuck


scorpion is hanzo hassashi

i dont know what little kid in your math class or whatever tried to tell you

next time read the game's storylines

now u are just being dumb on purpose, so stop it
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04/24/2003 10:52 AM EDT
So thats a new story and i bet u dont have the skill even to touch me! i readed this some time ago: "Takeda became the undead Scorpion who eventually escaped Shang Tsung's control, holding allegiance with no one."
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:54 AM EDT
of course i dont have that skill
i dont think anyone has the ability to jump in a computer to attack someone


anyway, you are wrong
i am right

lets just leave it at that
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:56 AM EDT
the mkm story:

Shao Kahn wasn't the first two attack our realm...


Thousands of years ago, shinnok existed as an elder God. The elder god's are the true rulers of all realms. They watch his world were created and destroyed and governed the realms with untold eons of wisdom. Shinnok, however, space gave into greed and illusions of false power by the new realm of earth. If he could have that realm to himself, he would have power unmatched. He first would have to face the young God of thunder known as rayden to do was appointed as earth's guardian by the elder god's themselves. For their battle for the realm of earth was fierce; causing the planets near destruction and plunging it into centuries of darkness.

Rayden soon discovered that shinnok into the realm through the powers of a mystical amulet. It allowed shinnok to into the realm without challenging and keep the other elder god's from intervening. The amulet could only be created once, and rayden stripped it from shinnok's possession. With the aid of the true elder god's, he buried the amulet deep within the mountains of Asia. He then created a massive Temple within the mountain to house the amulet and appointed four guardian's as the protectors of shinnok's sacred amulet. Each guardian represents one of the four elements that make up the realm; wind, earth, water and fire. As long as the amulet remained one earth, shinnok would be trapped, forced to remain dorment for the rest of eternity.

Over the millennia, tha netherealm has had many rulers. Most of them were forged within its fiery pits, eventually ripping their masters mercilessly from their thrones. One however, came not from the bowels of the netherealm, but from the heavens of reality. He was the fallen elder god's noted that shinnok.

Upon entering the realm, shinnok found himself immediately under attack by its then rulers Lucifer. He would exist tortured and tormented by the dregs of hell for thousands of years. Until he met quan chi.

Quan chi is a free roaming sorcerer. That means that he can travel the various planes of reality without detection from their gods. It also means that over the years he has obtained great power. Aware of shinnok dilemma, quan chi traveled to the netherealm and made the fallen God and offer. He wheeled free him from his confines and assist him in defeating Lucifer and his minions in exchange for power and the ability to rule at his side if and when he escapes to netherealm entirely. Shinnok agreed and the two waged war in the netherealm that lasted for centuries. But, the ex-elder god eventually won as he viciously sleuthing his former master then took his seat as the new ruler supreme of the dead realm. Shinnok, however, had nothing to rule. The realm was a desolate wasteland of fire and brimstone inhabited by grotesque demons. So, he decided to create a physical world, trying his best to emulate the realm he wanted so badly... Earth.

He took the demons of his realm and transformed them into as human a form as possible. But unlike the outworld, which became a wasteland after shao kahn sapped its energies, the netherealm never was a living planet. It always will exist as a dead world. It's true form hidden by its ruler.


It was through the mortal kombat tournament that the outworld's sole-stealing sorcerer shang tsung discovered the location of the sacred map of elements. After goro, the reigning outworld champion, defeated the original kung lao over 400 years ago , shang tsung sapped the humans soul . he retained his thoughts and memories thus discovering the secrets of the sacred map , which has been hated within the shaolin temples for centuries . these events enabled shang tsung to strike a bargain with quan chi .

In exchange for shinnok's assistance in a a plot to reincarnate the outworld's Emperor Shao Kahn's dead queen, shang tsung would reveal to quan chi the location of the map that would lead to shinnok's sacred amulet. But, shang tsung failed to inform quan chi of the elemental guards that protect the amulet. Their mere existence makes it impossible for quan chi to enter the Temple where the amulet rests. But, if he could get a human to enter, the right human, one who could perhaps defeat the elements...










Sub-Zero and the lin kuei

Somewhere in the northern most parts of Asia, there exists a secret clan of assassins and thieves known as the lin kuei. This group has existed for centuries and arrives when the evil intentions of the people who pay for their services its warriors are chosen at birth to be raised apart from the workings of day-to-day civilization in our stripped of their former lives. Only the clan knows their existence. Each of them possess certain skills and abilities that set them apart from normal men. These abilities are passed on from generation to generation and honed throughout the experience of life.

Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation lin kuei warrior himself. Among his first missions for the lin kuei, is one that leads him to the shaolin temples to steal the sacred map of elements.






Scorpion and the ninja

Spread throughout Japan, the ninja exist at the lin kuei's Japanese counterpart. It is believed that a renegade, Japanese born lin kuei warrior named takeda developed the art of ninjutsu hundreds of years ago. He returned to Japan to offer his services and knowledge to various lords and generals during that countries to feudal period. Many of his skills were soon copied and learned throughout his homeland.

The ninja have never existed as one collected clan. They worked as a loosely connected spy network, made up of several small clans. One such clan is known as the shirai ryu. Their founder was takeda himself, making the shirai ryu the very first ninja clan.
This also made them to instant foes of the lin kuei and made takeda a target for assassination. But, he managed to elude his attackers until his elder years, when he died not from a vicious battle, but in his sleep -a victim of poison slipped into his tea. Scorpion is a code name for a modern-day member of the shirai ryu named hanzo hasashi. His latest mission leads him into the heart of China, home of the rival lin kuei and location of the shaolin Temple where his mission is to steal the sacred map of elements.






scorpion isnt takeda moron. the conquest story is different than the game story.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 10:58 AM EDT
scorpio, i think we made our point

calm down

u dont want a bunch of skull points because of this spammer,troll or whatever u call a idiot wo asks stupid questions just to annoy people
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 11:00 AM EDT
theres your proof idiot.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 11:02 AM EDT

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scorpio, i think we made our point

calm down

u dont want a bunch of skull points because of this spammer,troll or whatever u call a idiot wo asks stupid questions just to annoy people


spammer he is. judging by his 4 visits, he just got this username to cause some trouble. hes probably the same moron that spams over at mkshin.
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RE: Ninjas Issue!
04/24/2003 11:02 AM EDT
Thx for the info scorpio but i had old info, sorry for my mistakes.
btw in some sites they say that Cyrax is a ninja.
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04/24/2003 12:49 PM EDT
Ninjutsu is very complex and there is more to it then just Ninjutsu (as many who do not understand it beyond the popular media would think). I study and practice Ninjutsu under two teachers (one who trained under Stephen Hayes in the 80s and Larry Turner more recently and another who trained under Larry Turner, 13th Dan ... both also train yearly under Masaaki Hatsumi the 34th Soke). I also took Karate for over 8 years as well. I personally think from my study of martial arts (even ones I have not taken but read up on or seen through friends) that Ninjutsu is possibly the most well-rounded. Perfected in application for over 800 years of war-fare and day to day protection it is quite experienced. Ninjutsu is only 1/3 of the entire art though. The other 6 ryu (of 9) are Samurai-based as it was not uncommon for a Samurai to use ninja tactics or vise versa. Taijutsu is the unarmed portion of Ninjutsu and everyone's is different (regardless of even having the same instructor) and takes alot of technique from Jujutsu. Therefore, if Sub, Scorp, and Rept. all used Ninjutsu, their Taijutsu would be VERY different depending on background, views, and their feelings at any given moment! The only similarity would possibly be in their stances or Kamae, here and there (but even then it depends on their body types - Reptiles in current form would be WHOLY different). Furthermore, there aren't really any Katas (long form at least) in Ninjutsu ... it is more of a martial application and self defense tool then a form based art (which has made most martial arts a sport and inflicted dojo-syndrome on many a martial artist little do they know). This is all my opinion from years of study.

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